Manager debates whether to warn employee that he's getting fired after helping him get the job in the first place, gets told to stay out of it: ‘Nothing to gain’

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  • Should I give my associate, who is an outside of work acquaintance, a he's up that he's getting fired?

    A little back story. I have a associate, let's call him "Frank". Me and Frank had a good friend in common and I got Frank his job. Frank has been
  • doing the same job for about 4 years now and there has always been an issue with consistency. Frank works from
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  • home so the question of being distracted has been brought up time and time again.
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  • Frank is proving to be a bad hire after all...

    In October, Frank finally got his first official documented verbal warning and then his first written in December. There have been plenty of
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  • undocumented coachings since but there is an error log that he has access to where things are noted. There is
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  • Of course Frank refuses to take responsibility for his actions

    always an excuse or reason for his misses and mistakes, but it's never his fault directly.
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  • So here's my question, Frank is being fired on Wednesday. Would you give Frank a heads up since there is an established association outside of work, or would you just let it play out?
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  • Emergency_Science602 You're not in Frank's manager chain, are you? Either way, don't say anything. Nothing to gain - a lot to lose.
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  • Strange World huh OP I am his direct manager.
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  • Can a manager claim they didn't know an employee of theirs is getting fired?

    Icy_Wave8121 Stay out of it, if its an issue say you didnt know
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  • Ughim50 Are you doing the firing, or did you make the decision to fire? If no then I'd play dumb and say you didn't know ahead of time. This is just to try and salvage the friendship. If you are doing the firing or it was your decision | don't think you can play dumb. You just have to tell him straight up that he owns this. It isn't coming from out of the blue.
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  • sjtech2010 He already has a heads up. Leave it be.
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  • Louder for the people in the back!

    DustyGrandeur Returns You already went out on a limb getting him the job, and he's spent four years blaming everything but himself. If you tip him off now, you're just handing him ammo to make the firing messier than it needs to be. Let HR do their thing and play dumb when he calls you after.
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  • National_Count_4916 No. You are responsible for confidential information and could create a liability by revealing
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  • Can it really help someone to know they are getting fired a few days in advance?

    TexasLiz1 What's the upside? Because there is a lot of downside.
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  • AdmiralMcNugget You say nothing to him outside of work. It doesn't help him, it gives him a chance to do any number of retaliatory things at work before he's asked to leave, and it leaves you liable both legally and professionally.
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  • MostLikelyToNap No, I've handled letting people go before. Even if you and he are "cool", some people do retaliate by deleting files, contacting other team members about it, etc; basically it could start a serious chain of events that would be pinned on you.
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